Today it was a very enjoyable half hour on WNYC’s The Brian Lehrer Show, taped in front of a live audience: you can listen to it here. I was paired with Jay Caspian Kang, a writer-at-large for the New York Times Magazine who wrote this piece about Pete Buttiegieg. Jay is laid back, smart and erudite, and we got to chat about book writing in the Green Room.

As you know, I wrote this. But I also got to defend the honor of South Bend, Indiana.